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Superb video. Back in the late ‘70s when I was in AF Junior ROTC we were told that the terrible reputation the Sparrow had earned over Vietnam was no longer applicable. Our Colonel claimed that it was going to guarantee NATO air superiority if the Russians were to attack Germany. I’m certain we all believed him without question.

I'm the best Sabre and so's my wife!

Boyd… he then went on to write his gibberish about the decision loop. Nonsense that Guderian would be proud of. And yes I’ve read both Boyd’s pieces and The Blind Strategist. I can’t evaluate his fighter tactics here but I can call his decision loop the worst type of corporate management tautology speak blah which can be summed up as make decisions faster than your enemy which is all well and good as a plan except it falls apart when you get punched in the nose.

What about the ESSM- Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile?

Was the Mirage III not an air superiority fighter? These preceded the F15

Being Aussie, to me Aussie CAC Sabres are the best with the higher power Rolls Royce Avon jet engine and 20mm cannons. and.... Aussie fighter pilots..

Great video presentation.

Canadian media and being pants on head with planes is a time honoured tradition here. Look at the people right now trying to get the F-35 program cancelled by saying that the Avro Arrow is better. (cause faster)

Canada was a great ally, Trudeau killed it.

Toronto would have wanted the Vampire because the de Havilland plant was in Toronto

Wow, just wow. Another remarkably good documentary on early Cold War jets. I am becoming accustomed to having my expectations exceed by your videos. For 45 years my favorite combat aircraft were the F-4 (home) and Mirage III (away). Your videos have convinced me of Sabre. So, another excellent video worth the wait ❤

nice, I have a signed copy of "The Canadair Sabre" by Milberry. but i looked it up, you can order this book new, inc shipping, from CANAV books (Larry Milbury), hardcover, $30 in Canada, $35 CDN in USA and $50 CDN for all international orders.

Saw one at the Canadian warplane heritage museum. Really cool aircraft

I disagree with the opening sentiment about the MiG 15 being ugly, the very efficient tail group of the MiG 15 is elegantly beautiful in the opposite way to the F-94 that has a "fat-ass" afterburner mod.

Everyone copied everyone. The reason the Soviets got a bad rep for it is the same reason communist states got a bad rep for doing a ton of stuff everyone else did: propaganda, of which also everyone also made heavy use. If you don't see that, I have bad news.

Nope. The CAC Avon Sabre leaves it fir dead.

Compare it to the Australian CAC Sabre! Which is better?

The real question for me, since all Sabers seem to be winners: what was the WORST Saber? Popular answer would be the "Super" Sabre I imagine.

The problem with comparing Sabres is that you should also include Fury's aka Naval Sabres.

Pilot would not see much on landing. Ha. But we all need what it's and maybes.

TY. Yes the Orenda was the better engine, do not let GE, or anyone else say otherwise. TY.

The best Sabre was the CAC Avon Sabre

The mk 6 also had a pair of sidewinders. How about the FJ-4 Fury?

I dedicated myself to collecting all the "Great Planes" series about a decade ago when I found them by chance and realised the series was already 30yrs old. Your narration style is awfully close to that of the Great Planes series narrator (in only a handfull of the titles) who sounded more Australian. Your research and editing is by far better than any aircraft covered by that series especially as you cover spin offs of the main aircraft types aswell.

I read Canadians put their engine in it

Excellent article, been waiting for one on the Canadair Sabre! I think I still have to give it the edge over the Aussie version because Canada, of course. ;-) On a more serious note, the downfall of our once world-class aerospace industry is a tragic story. If only Diefenbaker had the political will to stand up to the Americans the Arrow would have gone into full production and changed the course of military aviation bringing many advances years earlier then they ended up coming, and would have prevented the brain-drain to NASA when Avro Canada was gutted. Not to mention we would have gone on to both continue to build world-class warplanes but also have contributed more then a bloody robotic arm to the international space programs!

This channel is clearly a labor of love. I am astounded at the depth of your research into and presentation of these obscure but fascinating subjects.

Build new with Glass cockpits, 20,000 pounds thrust engines.

16:07 What a great picture!

@notapound >>> Great video...👍

The Australian cac Saber was the best

Very well done!

I have a copy of the book "Sabre - The Canadair Sabre in RAF Service" by Duncan Curtis. The operation to air-ferry the aircraft across the Atlantic was called "Bechers Brook", which if you know anything about jump horse racing in the UK will hopefully make you smile 🙂.

Sabre Mk 6 is the best damn Sabre, PERIOD. Check 6, MARK SIX!

It was smart of him to escape ussr. He would not avoid being purged in 1937 for sure

Thank you for this video. It is much more thoroughly researched than even the "Great Planes" series episode (DVD) on the F-86 that has been my go to for revision for years.

What was incredible about the RCAF Sabre and the others was it actually was slightly superior in level turning fights when compared to a F-16. There were a few mock fights where the Sabres were able to be rather annoying to the just coming Into service 16.

Good one and while I don’t entirely agree with your thoughts on the Mk6 vs. Mk32 debate, it is clear that Canadair had a winner. Cheers!

If the CAC Sabre can boom & zoom its target then it has the advantage. Those powerful 30mm cannon rounds need more deflection and to be closer to the target since there are only two of them. In a turning fight the Mark 6 takes it with better turn and better chance to hit. All else being equal they're pretty even. But since numbers count for something too I'll take 6000 heavy machine guns on 1000 Sabres over 200 cannons on 100 Sabres any day. We'll let the Aussies fight in the shade lol.

The Australian Sabre was pretty good also,it had 20mm & 30mm cannons instead of.50cal hmg's.I think aust sabres also had a more powerful engine than the U.S.model.

So I have been deluding myself that CAC sabres had had the most powerful engines and 4 20mm cannons are more capable than 6 .50 calibre machine guns.

Fairly sure the .50 has a much higher muzzle velocity than the Aiden 30mm. Would have made aiming easier.

So, the ultimate Sabre is three Sabres hiding inside an Avro Arrow?

Maybe. Maybe not. But keep in mind that Leica used to make camera equipment in Canada.

My father flew these in Europe. 430 squadron 2 Wing. His favorite aircraft. The Canadians cleaned up on all the NATO gunnery contests and the MK 6 was feared by most NATO pilots in dog fights. I was a great time to be a Canadian fighter pilot.

@AgentJayZ

"The F-100 had to remain uncrashed long enough to be useful..." this is the aerial equivalent of Drachism of the Day. We need a name for it on this channel...

🇦🇺 Correct conclusion 👍😉

I'd probably say the CAC Sabre was the best because of it's huge firepower advantage. The US and Canadian variants had the 6 pack of 50 cal. machine guns that proved inadequate in Korea. The Australian version though had twin 30 mm cannons. More than enough for fighters or bombers